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Toyota workers call for long-term strategy
Topic Started: 11 Dec 2013, 01:38 PM (1,879 Views)
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Count du Monet
11 Dec 2013, 02:19 PM
The timing of these companies leaves something to be desired. Mitsubishi scrapped their 4 cyl in 2003, just in time for the oil price shock. Now they seem to think the high AUD is a permanent feature?
to be fair there's a decent amount of time lapse from the design stage to the finished product but you are right, they tend to fuck up all too often. Holden wanting to build FWD cars for our market makes me wonder who gets to call the shots over there for example :lol
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11 Dec 2013, 03:31 PM
Most countries bankroll, at least to some extent, their car manufacturers. But why?

Sometimes there is a difference b/w management accounting and financial accounting. Sometimes it is connected to national pride. Sometimes there are national defense concerns. Sometimes because they think the industry can survive long term and is just going through a glitch.

Holden doesn't really fit any of these - maybe a bit of national pride.

If the Australian car industry was to survive, they need to either export overseas, or arrange for old cars to be taken off the road. The market for second hand cars in Oz is ridiculous. I don't know anywhere where you can pay so much for a second hand car. They also need to make something unique that the world needs - like mazda with the mx5 - renault with the small people mover, VW with the small sedan. All these companies found a niche in the market and are successful because of it.
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11 Dec 2013, 02:26 PM
For the life of me I cant see how these businesses can keep going here or why they would even bother.

Dont get me wrong, I dont want to see the workers lose their jobs,
But If I can set up in another land where I may be in a tax free zone, have workers for a fraction of the cost plus numerous other benefits, why would I want to keep running a business in a land with high wages, high taxes and high costs for everything else?
What viable business sense is there in that?

Its not as if the workers have special skills, the cars are damn near assembled by robots as it is.
What workers we have on the production line have to become an expert of doing "a task", many times a day, day in day out.
They are not builders of cars,
they are tighteners of a bolt
putters on of a door handle
pressers of a button

I agree the writing is on the wall and has been for a long time. I can't stream the clip at the moment but suspect I have seen something like it before. I know 3 people who have worked at the Altona plant at on time or another, and they were all looked after incredibly well financially. One of them has been there for over 30 years and we make jokes about him never getting the arse because his payout would send the company broke.. One thing that all three shared was an unbelievable amount of pride in the company.

Fun fact: I have been told an otherwise great worker at the Japan plant got sacked for leaving a tiny candy wrapper in one of the cars while it was on the line. Pretty hardcore if you ask me..
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11 Dec 2013, 05:04 PM
The market for second hand cars in Oz is ridiculous. I don't know anywhere where you can pay so much for a second hand car.
Really?
It used to be a hell of a lot worse a few cars back.
$5k 15 years ago bought a shitter whereas now you can get something pretty bloody good with aircon, power steer electric windows, even airbags..............and all working.
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I have to agree, I have a family member who bought a low km 2009 VE for under 10 grand last week. It's like a new car in every way.
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mel
11 Dec 2013, 05:20 PM
I have to agree, I have a family member who bought a low km 2009 VE for under 10 grand last week. It's like a new car in every way.
I still think of my 99 Mazda 323 as quite a new car, at least until I drive a rental on holidays or something.

Funny thing though, my 14 year old car is fare more high techy/newish compared to my first car at the same age, a 86 Mitsubishi Colt.
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11 Dec 2013, 08:41 PM
I still think of my 99 Mazda 323 as quite a new car, at least until I drive a rental on holidays or something.

Funny thing though, my 14 year old car is fare more high techy/newish compared to my first car at the same age, a 86 Mitsubishi Colt.
Just go buy a new car for say $40,000.00 and you will be amazed at the advances in cars.
You will get close to 1,000 km from a tank of fuel. Choose the right cat that is say Toyota prius.
Things get better.
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My idea for getting value for money from a car purchase would be to buy one which is a couple of years old. There will have been a fair amount of depreciation in that time and if you buy well you could find something that's almost as good as new.
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11 Dec 2013, 08:41 PM
I still think of my 99 Mazda 323 as quite a new car, at least until I drive a rental on holidays or something.

Funny thing though, my 14 year old car is fare more high techy/newish compared to my first car at the same age, a 86 Mitsubishi Colt.
The great Mitsubishi Colt. Don't forget the 3 to 1 rule, being you generally have to spend three times the market value of the car on the stereo. My car is ten years old and would frighten the shit out of Foxbat.. it's very big, it's black and the driver is incredibly ugly.

Mazdas are cool too
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12 Dec 2013, 05:38 PM
Just go buy a new car for say $40,000.00 and you will be amazed at the advances in cars.
You will get close to 1,000 km from a tank of fuel. Choose the right cat that is say Toyota prius.
Things get better.
Peter
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Or I could stick with my current car and not live up to the stereotypical borderline gen x/y person of pissing my money up the wall. :lol

As for the rule relating to the Colt about spending 3 times as much as the car is worth on the stereo, ha ha I never did get around to doing that though plenty of my friends did so to their similar era of cars when I was growing up. I remember one friend had spent $4000 on a stereo for his 1983 Nissan Pulsar.
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